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Ceton InfiniTV 6 PCIe - 5205-DCT06IN-PCIE - Six-tuner Card for Watching Digital Cable TV on the PC, PCI-Express x1 Interface

  • 6 QAM 64/256 tuners
  • Full 1080i and 3D support
  • Works with all U.S. cable TV system
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The Ceton InfiniTV 6 PCIe is the most advanced internal cable TV card for a PC. With six tuners that require just one CableCARD™, InfiniTV 6 PCIe turns your PC into a killer cable box and DVR. With a Ceton InfiniTV 6 PCIe your PC becomes that nirvana entertainment box you've always wanted. Have all your media - TV, DVR, music, photos, videos and Internet media services - available from one awesome device.
InfiniTV 6 PCIe
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InfiniTV 6 PCIe
Turn Your PC into the Ultimate Cable Box & DVR
InfiniTV 6 PCIe works with Windows Media Center to turn a Windows 7 or Windows 8-based PC into the ultimate cable set-top box and DVR! It supports all cable TV channels, including premium channels like HBO®, Showtime® and Starz®.

Lower Your Cable Bills and Get TV & DVR in Every Room
When your PC is paired with a Ceton Echo media center extender or Xbox® 360, you can also enjoy TV and DVR on any TV set. Replace all your cable boxes and DVRs - and get rid of those expensive monthly fees - and enjoy your favorite shows in any room, all from a single cable connection and using a single CableCARD™.
InfiniTV 6 PCIe
Highlights
Six Live HD Channels At Once
Six Live HD Channels At Once

Watch and/or record six live channels of standard-definition or high-definition TV simultaneously, including all your favorite premium and encrypted cable channels.

Whole-Home Entertainment
Whole-Home Entertainment

When used with media center extenders like the Ceton Echo or Xbox 360™, a Ceton InfiniTV turns your Media Center PC into a whole-home entertainment device. Enjoy live TV and all your DVR recordings on any TV set.

InfiniTV 6 PCIe
Easy to Manage
Easy to Manage

Manage and control your Media Center experience with Ceton’s My Media Center mobile apps for iOS, Android, Windows Phone and Windows 8 (sold separately)

Works with any U.S. cable provider
Works with Any U.S. Cable Provider

InfiniTV 6 PCIe supports CableCARD and connects to any U.S. cable system to receive all SD and HD digital cable channels without needing a set-top box.

Save Tons of Money
Save Tons of Money

When using InfiniTV on your PC you can save hundreds of dollars a year by avoiding monthly cable box lease and DVR fees.

InfiniTV 6 PCIe
Minimum System Requirements
  • PC with Microsoft Windows 7 SP1 or Windows 8 Pro with Media Center
    • 2.5GHz or faster dual-core or quad-core 64-bit (x64) processor
    • 4GB of RAM (6GB+ recommended)
    • 7200RPM or faster hard disk drive (350GB of available space recommended for 50 hours of HDTV recordings)
    • One available PCI Express (PCIe) slot, which can be either an x1, x4, x8, or x16 type slot
    • HDCP-compliant graphics card or on-board graphics
    • HDMI output, or DVI output with separate 5.1 audio output required for Dolby 5.1 surround sound
    • Note: InfiniTV does not support nForce chipsets
  • One Multi-stream CableCARD™ (M-Card), available from your cable TV provider
  • TV display with HDMI input, or HDCP-compliant DVI input and separate audio input
  • Coaxial cable to connect InfiniTV 6 PCIe to your cable outlet
  • A Tuning Adapter from your cable operator might be required if your cable TV provider uses Switched Digital Video technology. Please check with your cable operator.
  • Digital cable TV subscription from your local cable TV provider. HD package required to receive High Definition TV channels
*Note: minimum system requirements are greater when using Windows Media Center Extenders.
Technical Specifications
  • Six QAM 64/256 tuners
  • CableCARD M-Card DRM Processor
  • Full 1080i and 3D support
Included in the Box
  • InfiniTV 6 PCIe
  • High-profile and low-profile backplates
  • F-connector adapter cable
  • Quick Installation Guide
*Note: Multi-room TV and DVR requires a Ceton Echo or other Windows Media Center Extender, connected to your secondary TV sets.

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  • Limited Warranty period (parts): 1 year
  • Limited Warranty period (labor): 1 year


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  • David T.
  • 3/20/2015 7:28:50 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 week to 1 month
  • Verified Owner

5 out of 5 eggsA definite must buy

Pros: This tuner card is amazing! So I have Verizon Fios and never really had problems with the set top box. The only reason I upgraded to this card was because I already had a media center set up for my movies and Netflix and I decide to make it a complete WMC experience and I am interested in the idea of using the extender. Doing the math I will save $18 a month which will pay for the card in 10.5 months (on sale) With that said will say that is worth the full price even though it will take longer to pay for itself. If you were on the fence about getting one I will say GO FOR IT. The card is great.
So …. the set up issues. For me the only issue I had was with Verizon and I resolved it within 20 minutes. Plugged in the cable card, slid in the Version card, install online software, attached the coaxial cable and activate my version card (note you will need Host ID and Date ID which can be obtained by running the utility software). I walked through the WMC set up and I was done. Honestly it took me 40 minutes before I was watching TV again.
Picture Quality: The picture quality is the best advantage. Hands down it will blow you away! The picture is twice as crisp. The HD channels are AMAZING. I honestly felt cheated that Verizon didn’t provide a box that will display their awesome picture quality. The whites and colors are so vibrant and there is no pixilation.
DVR: Having the ability to record 6 shows at once is great if you have a need for it. As far as play back, with 4 gigs of ram I noticed a timing issue with the audio and video only if I fast fwd and for a bit and hit play. They just weren’t in sync, but if you pause or rewind for a second then things would catch up. I also noticed after fast fwd/rewind the audio quality was not full surround sound but after 30 seconds that too would catch up and return to full volume/quality. I upgraded to 8 gigs of ram and I no longer have any of those issues. The only thing worth noting is my old box would record your current channel and your previous channel at the same time and if you flipped back and forth you could rewind between the two, but with the ability to record 6 shows at once it is a non-issue.
Audio Quality: EXCELENT once I upgraded to 8 gigs. A good TV show to judge the surround sound is “The Voice” you can always hear the crowd clapping or talking in the rear speakers along with other subtle noises.
Live TV: Yes there is a lag when you are channel surfing. I thought it would go away with more RAM but sadly no. However don’t get me wrong, it is not worth complaining, but it should be noted. If you don’t like to use the guide and rather channel surf, then you will find it annoying. Other than that, all I can say is… Awesome! I am using a solid state drive and the card has no issue with rewind/fast-fwd live tv.

Cons: You will need to be gentle with the coaxial

Other Thoughts: Conclusion: This card is kick a**. You will love the video and audio quality. The limitations are not with the card but with WMC and or your system. But if you are considering a tuner card I am assuming you already have the horse power and ram to get the job done. A+++ . I can’t wait to see how the extender matches up.
TV: Panasonic 50”
Reciever: Pioneer SC-1222-K 7.2-Channel Network Ready AV Receiver with a 5.1 set up (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117412)
Mother board: ASRock H97M Pro4 LGA 1150 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157512)

Ram: 8 Gigs -G.SKILL Ripjaws Series (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277)

Processer: Intel Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2GHz (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117374)

Hard drive: SAMSUNG 840 EVO MZ-7TE250BW 2.5" 250GB SATA 6Gb/s 1x nm Samsung Toggle DDR 2.0 3-Bit MLC NAND Flash Memory (400Mbps) Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA0AT2MA3364&cm_re=samsung-_-20-147-248-_-Product)

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  • Edward M.
  • 3/10/2015 9:48:03 AM
  • Tech Level: High
  • Ownership: less than 1 day
  • Verified Owner

4 out of 5 eggs1st Impression is good

Pros: I received the package more quickly than expected, always a good thing. Setup was actually pretty much trouble-free. I got my CableCARD from my provider (Cablevision of Long Island.) I installed the CableCARD into the Ceton card, then installed that into my HTPC build. After booting, I ran the Ceton installer I downloaded. Actually, forget the rest of the process. If you buy this card, follow the Quick Installation Guide. If you can read and follow instructions, you should have no problems. Once the CableCARD was paired and the tuner card installed, I was channel-surfing with my HTPC without any issues. :)

Cons: (a) During setup, if you aren't that technically-knowledgeable, you might run into some issues doing the install that have nothing to do with the card.
(b) The only problems I ran into were when I tried to set up the tuner card to be accessible to other PCs on my home network. I botched it spectacularly due to impatience and lack of knowledge and had to setup the card again.

Other Thoughts: (a) I was lucky. The very nice woman from Cablevision who paired the CableCARD to the tuner was very helpful during setup.
(b) Two things to keep in mind; don't mess with the settings once you have it working, and when setting it up, if your HTPC is running Norton or McAfee firewall, Windows Media Center WILL NOT FIND the tuners. The Detailed Installation Guide tries to walk you through setting up the firewall to work with the tuner, but if you've set up your router properly and aren't using the HTPC for surfing questionable web sites, then just disable the firewall and save yourself the grief.
(c) Before digging around in all the settings, if you're unfamiliar with playing with TV tuner cards, I wholeheartedly recommend reading up on it on the web. There are lots of forums and sites that can help.
(d) HTPC Build Specs: i5-3470K, 8 GB DDR3-1600, Asus P8Z77-V Pro, EVGA GTX680 FTW 4 GB card, 2x80 GB Intel SSDs in RAID-0 (C:), 3 TB Seagate Barracuda (D:), LG DVD-RW (no, I didn't get a BR drive because I have no interest in BR, I use iTunes and Netflix), Cooler Master HAF XB EVO case, Win7Pro x64

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  • John N.
  • 3/4/2015 5:21:25 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: more than 1 year
  • Verified Owner

5 out of 5 eggsGet rid of your cable boxes forever

Pros: If you like to tinker with HTPCs then this product is for you. I've owned three InfiniTV 4 cablecard tuners for many years and an InfiniTV 6 for about 16 months. Great product and great tech support from Ceton. They will go the extra mile to help get cablecards activated with your provider if you're having issues.

First and foremost, this is a cablecard tuner. Nowhere in the description does it say it can be used without a cablecard. It can, however, receive clear QAM channels, but it still requires a cablecard to do so. If all you want is clear QAM then there are numerous other tuners available that will do the job.

As for issues being related to Windows Media Center, I can't say I've ever had any, at least not with respect to this or any other tuners I've used. Problems getting cablecards properly activated are on your provider, not the tuner. Sadly, some providers are less than helpful in this area. It's one of the major reasons I dumped Comcast years ago. Now I'm on FIOS and couldn't be happier.

Cons: Listening to people gripe about issues that aren't related to the product itself because they didn't understand what they were buying. This is an amazing product that works extremely well, but only if the buyer's knowledge and skill level are up to the task. It's relatively easy to install and set up in WMC and anyone with average PC knowledge should be able to do it with ease. The major hurdles seem to be getting cablecards properly activated.

Other Thoughts: If your provider flags your channels as copy freely, this tuner can be used with a number of DVR programs in addition to Windows Media Center. It's also supported by MythTV, XBMC/Kodi, Media Portal, NextPVR, SageTV, and probably a few others. I have personally tried it in both MythTV and WMC and it works great.

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  • DAVID N.
  • 2/7/2015 11:29:52 AM
  • Tech Level: High
  • Ownership: 1 month to 1 year
  • Verified Owner

2 out of 5 eggsREQUIRES CableCARD

Pros: - Beaucoup tuners (maybe)
- Pretty blue LED
- Accepts CableCARD if you need one
- Installs and operates under Linux (but see below)

Cons: - REQUIRES CableCARD even if you don't need one for your clear QAM channels
- Creates no /dev/dvb devices so standard DVB tools (like dvbv5-scan) don't work
- Runs all streams through RTSP interface

Other Thoughts: Windows users can move along. This post is for Linux users.
I've seen many posts saying the Ceton cards can tune clear QAM channels so I took a chance on this one. No dice. You MUST install a CableCARD to tune even the unencrypted channels that your TV can tune successfully with nothing but a straight cable connection. Add the monthly cost of the CableCARD to the cost of this card. Then you are restricted to the channel map provided by your cable provider. It's not possible to scan for channels. The web interface provided by the card is cool but it helps show how the card is restricted. I can tune a multiplex/transponder signal which is not in my provider's channel map manually and the service shows up in the channel list. If I try to stream it to mplayer it fails to provide the stream but if I pick something from the channel map then it works. Why does it do that? Why can't I tune anything without the CableCARD? It seems like Ceton is deliberately tying our hands with this card. I'm going back to multiple Hauppauge cards because it will actually save me money to put this card back in its box and return the CableCARD to my provider.

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  • Justin L.
  • 1/23/2015 9:35:16 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 month to 1 year

5 out of 5 eggsTotally Works and Completes The HTPC Experience!

Pros: - Quick and easy setup

- Excellent online support and documentation

- It just plain works

Cons: - None really, except the card was a little expensive (but worth it).

Other Thoughts: I called XFinity to request a Cable Card, explaining that I built out a new HTPC and would like to use it to tune cable TV.

XFinity scheduled a tech, who came out a couple of days later with a couple of CableCards in-hand.

I opened up my HTPC, popped in the Ceton card, installed the drivers, etc.

I went thru WMC's TV setup, and the XFinity Tech called in the 800 number and we talked to a Comcast person to activate the CableCard itself.

Everything was done within about 30mins.

Otherwise, I installed the My Channel Logos app to bling out WMC's EPG.

My friends are amazed that I have the ability to use my little Micro ATX HTPC as a cable box, DVR, streamer, Steam box, etc.

Ceton's card really completes the overall HTPC experience.

I know Ceton has the My Media Center mobile app, but it would be really cool if they made a full-fledged media center app similar to WMC, as Microsoft prolly won't support WMC at all much longer.

One minor thing - I'm working with Ceton's tech support to obtain an extra low-profile adapter for the card, as I'd like to migrate it over to a newer smaller, ITX-based HTPC that I'm setting up.

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  • Roger W.
  • 1/11/2015 5:45:47 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 week to 1 month
  • Verified Owner

1 out of 5 eggsonly works for few channels

Pros: Tested recording 6 channels at the same time and worked.

Cons: I only get 8 channels. All others show "subscription required".

COX cable has been out and the signal is OK. Their Cisco cable DVR works fine, so COX says there is not much they can do.

All Ceton support is done but email which is very very slow. Every email reply, if they get it can take a few days to respond. If you want the answer to be clarified it takes another few days.

I have COX cable coming out again to check the OOB signal. I have asked what the value should be and still no answer.

Because you can't talk to Ceton support on the phone, I can't get an instant response if the cable technician has a question.

So far this is a poor device and unless you have money to waste in the hope it works, good luck.

Looks like I may have to go back to the Silicon Dust HomeRun Prime which has only 3 tuners and uses a lot of network, but at least it works.

Manufacturer Response:

We’re sorry you’re having an issue with your Ceton InfiniTV. The behavior you describe is definitely not normal and is likely due to your cable operator incorrectly "pairing" the CableCARD during setup. Please note that if you're using the same CableCARD used with your HDHR tuners, the CableCARD needs to be re-paired and authenticated with your cable company.

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  • Jeff M.
  • 1/10/2015 7:34:35 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
  • Verified Owner

5 out of 5 eggsAwesome Option to the Cable Box

Pros: If you want to have a more traditional cable TV experience through your media center, this card is the ticket. For pros: hassle free installation, configured easily with WMC, and works! I have service with Comcast, and cable card activation was problem free as well. How about no fees for DVR service and no extra cost for a cable box? Helps that I got the $25 off promo code, too.

Cons: Upon installation, WMC recognized 4 of the 6 tuners. Ceton support was prompt and on point: They told me to rerun the WMC TV set up, and, BAM!, 6 tuners.

Other Thoughts: My Media Center:

Silverstone Milo ML03B
AMD A6-5400K
ASRock FM2A75 Pro4-M
8GB G.Skill Sniper DDR3 1866
AData Premier Pro SP600 64 GB SSD
Toshiba 2TB HD
LG Blu-Ray Drive
XFX Radeon HD6570 2GB in Hybrid Graphics
Ceton InfiniTV6 PCI
Corsair CX430
CoolerMaster GeminII M4
Windows 7 64 Bit

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  • William B.
  • 12/6/2014 3:02:01 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 week to 1 month

1 out of 5 eggsI'd rather have a root canal

Pros: 6 tuners-
Can use Ceton Echo Media Extender and XBox XBMC.
This product is attractive only to the uninformed and Uber-geeks.
A great concept- if it worked... :(

Some of the techs at Ceton are helpful- it's hit-and-miss. They kept contacting Comcast until the card got paired and was...working. They didn't give up.

Cons: Where do I begin...

If you buy this card- you're in the middle of a war between Comcast and Ceton. Comcast has NO incentive to be helpful to you- they would rather you rent one of their pieces of equipment, and Comcast WILL NOT be co-operative. I spent over 6 hours on the phone with Comcast...once, Comcast put me on hold for 2 hours- then hung up on me!

Really, I'd rather get a root canal and simultaneously get a colonoscopy than deal with Comcast. (They aren't any help with setup, BTW.)

Setup pretty much requires that you contact Ceton- there is NO telephone support- only Email. You cannot talk to a human. Ever. Setup took 4 days of aggravation. Never again.

I bought my first InfiniTV card from an online auction, and when Ceton found this out- they would no longer offer support. You must Ceton with a valid purchase order or receipt. Ceton only supports if you buy from "Authorized Dealers" selling new cards.
Okay. My first hint.

Sadly, this card was offered by NewEgg on a Black Thursday special for $179. My bad. I should have stayed loyal to The Egg! I bought a new card from another "authorized" online retailer. forgive me, NewEgg.

Unfortunately, the other "authorized"online retailer only offers the Ceton warranty- which is generally NO money back, only exchange...and you've got to PAY $25 (plus shipping both ways) for that. That's one reason I love the Egg- no question RMA guarantee.

This card apparently has a "problem" with Windows Media Center-
where the picture is...herky jerky...not smooth. Also, on large displays it just doesn't have a good picture- like poor de-interlacing.

Hmmm- a Windows PC card that doesn't co-exist nicely with WMC. It's funny how Ceton doesn't mention this little factoid when they sell it. Ceton blames all the problems on WMC. Ceton does NOT offer a proprietary Media Player for this card, so...

Next, I tried to get some tech advice for setting this up on a gigabit segmented network- a gigabit switch downported to my gigabit router. Ceton won't offer any help here, you're on your own...not acceptable.

I'd planned on using my Ceton infiniTV6 on my HTPC, and networking to (2) Ceton Echo Media Extenders connected to (2) HDTVs. Very bad results. Constant dropouts, requiring a cold reboot of the Echos- and they are SLOW! Static IP didn't help. Read the "bad" reviews on NewEgg and "other" online retailers. The users aren't exaggerating. Ceton will say anything to make the sale- after that- good luck.

Other Thoughts: I spent over $600 (not including the tuner) building a beautiful PC- Kaveri 7850K / F2A88XM / 8Gb 2133 mem / SSD / Caviar HD- SPECIFICALLY to be used as a home theater server using the latest technology.

The InfiniTV is WAY overpriced IMHO- I feel it has a "real" worth of $80- and the Echo product- it's worthless with it's painfully slow and underpowered CPU.

I had intended to evaluate this on a professional level, as a qualified electrical contractor, building high-end home theaters- to sell this concept to my customers- but my conscience cannot allow that.

It's a GREAT concept- if it worked. It's NOT there yet. Perhaps...in the future...but NOT this card, and NEVER Ceton again!

-As my Comcast technician told me "Why don't you just get the Tivo!?"

Manufacturer Response:

Thank you for your feedback and we’re sorry you had issues. Your experience is certainly not typical, as noted in the majority of reviews here. We try to go above and beyond to help our customers, even contacting the cable company on their behalf, as we did for you.

We’d like to clarify a couple of points for other readers:

* Most cable technicians can pair a CableCARD to a device like a Ceton InfiniTV without problem. Sometimes you find a cable tech is isn’t as knowledgeable as others, in which case we recommend calling back or escalating to a more senior tech. Comcast has a dedicated CableCARD hotline (877-405-2298) that we recommend people use instead of calling the local Comcast office for this reason.

* Ceton provides free lifetime technical support for all Ceton products, regardless of where it was purchased.

* The Ceton warranty applies for 12 months from the date of purchase by the original purchaser, and from an authorized reseller. This is very typical with consumer electronics. From your note, it sounds like you either purchased a used model or purchased from a grey market seller. We still offer technical support in that situation however free warranty repair and replacement is not available. Additional fees only apply when a customer wants special warranty service.

* All authorized retailers offer at least a 30-day period from the date of purchase for you to return your product for a refund. After that we continue to offer free technical support and a 12 month repair or replacement warranty for qualifying purchases. Again this is very common in consumer electronics.

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  • Jonathan M.
  • 12/5/2014 11:45:29 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 week to 1 month
  • Verified Owner

5 out of 5 eggsGreat upgrade

Pros: 6 tuners, obviously. Currently our house uses 2 extenders as well as the main TV, so that takes 3 tuners. Using the old 4-tuner card we'd sometimes run into situations where there weren't enough tuners to record simultaneous shows. So now, 6 tuners should solve that.

Cons: None specific to these cards.

Other Thoughts: These cards are not trivial to set up, you need a strong TV signal (it's going to split six ways in the card) and a lot of know how. Expect to be spending a lot of time researching on the internet to get this right. Plug and play they are not, which is probably why many people prefer the external modules. Even the guy on the phone at TWC said he had many people with problems using internal cards. For me, this was an upgrade so it was a simple as switch cards, phone TWC with the new host id, wait for new authorization codes and reconfigure WMC and we were done. Brilliant.

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  • Anthony D.
  • 11/28/2014 6:23:14 PM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 month to 1 year
  • Verified Owner

1 out of 5 eggsCard Sucks

Pros: Records 6 channels at once

Cons: Nothing but problems. Spent many hours troubleshooting, after 6 months, I give up, just ordered a tivo. Ceton tech support responds promplty, but they keep blaming all the problems on windows media center, which might be true, but before this I had the haupauge antenna card and it worked perfectly with windows media center, minus the intermittant signal.

Other Thoughts: Alwasy worked intermittantly on my ASUS essentio, so I switched to my home made asus z87 mb, wth i5, worked much better, but still failed with partial show recordings, (I have verizon fios). My home made computer motherboard failed, while waiting for warrenty replacement, switched back to asus essentio, and have nothing but problems, so I give up, just ordered tivo, will pay $12/month rent for not having to stress out on this piece of garbage.

Manufacturer Response:

Thank you for your feedback and we’re sorry you had issues. Your experience is certainly not typical, as noted by the majority of reviews here.

Media Center configurations are complex, involving many components from different companies -- PC components, Windows, application software, network design, routers, switches, firewalls, displays, cables, CableCARDs, cable service, digital rights, and of course the TV tuner. Ceton technology is one small piece of this complex puzzle. A failure in any of these pieces can result in problems with receiving channels, which seems to be the case here.

Using a CableCARD tuner like Ceton InfiniTV is significantly more complex than a Hauppauge antenna card – InfiniTV decodes 6 channels, not 1 or 2, and also handles all the cable content protection involved, which is not used in over-the-air/antenna TV.

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