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Mad Catz SCB440420002/02/1 Pro Flight X-65F Combat Control System

  • SCB440420002/02/1
  • Connectivity: USB 2.0
  • Windows 7, Windows XP, XP64 and Windows Vista (all versions)
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Brand
Mad Catz
Model
SCB440420002/02/1

Spec

Specifications
Connectivity: USB 2.0
Windows 7, Windows XP, XP64 and Windows Vista (all versions)

Features

Features
Metal construction for the ultimate in realism and durability
Unique force sensing stick - all input is detected from how hard you push on the stick, just like in real modern day jet fighters. This includes a force-sensing twist rudder control
Features on-the-fly adjustment of the force settings for the stick - including separate adjustments for each axis of the stick for the ultimate in stick response configuration.
Dual throttle for finer control over twin engine jets, or lock the two throttles together for single engine fighters

Stick controls include:
3 x 8-way hats
1 x 8-way thumb hat
1 x trigger
2 x buttons
2 x pinkie switches

Throttle controls include:
2 x rotaries (incorporating push button controls)
1 x mouse hat
4 x 8-way hats
1 x 2 way 'K' switch
1 x scroll selector
1 x 4 position mode switch

Back panel with 5 more control switches, force-sensing strength selection, mode indication and mounting points for Saitek Pro Flight Instrument Panels (sold separately)
A potential total of 608 commands possible without ever moving your hands from the controls!

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  • Grant F.
  • 9/26/2011 10:46:57 PM
  • Tech Level: High
  • Ownership: 1 month to 1 year
  • Verified Owner

1 out of 5 eggsOverrated

Pros: Heavy construction
Good switch quality
Fluid-like slider motion

Cons: Saitek support won't return my emails.

The supplied velcrow works for holding down the throttle control, but it's basically impossible to remove after attached.

The control stick is also difficult to use unless it's firmly attached to the desk. It has screw holes, but nothing is supplied to attach it.

Too many hat switches, not enough buttons.

Some hat switch positions make it difficult to use the stick without accidentally pressing them.

The plastic boxes attached to the throttle are much lower quality than the rest of the product.

Other Thoughts: The force sensitive joystick sounds like a good idea on paper, but the problem is that it's completely useless unless it's firmly attached to a desk. Unless you're willing to drill holes in your desk and bolt the stick and throttle firmly in place, I cannot recommend this product.

On my stick, the throttle firmness screw does not work. I emailed Saitek support weeks ago, but they didn't respond. This is highly disappointing given the price tag.

In all, I really don't recommend the X65 as a buy.

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  • Brian B.
  • 9/5/2011 6:48:06 AM
  • Tech Level: Average
  • Ownership: 1 week to 1 month

1 out of 5 eggsDisappointing

Pros: Solid. Built like a tank and almost as heavy.

Cons: Layout is substandard compared to controls on my X52 Pro. However, the worst problem is handling qualities. As a jet-rated ATP for more than 40 years, I can tell you that real aircraft don't handle like this. Arresting sink rate induces a porpoise effect and leveling the wings can induce a "Dutch Roll." Dampening the sensitivity just makes it sluggish. It's back in the box and a waste of $$.

Other Thoughts: That just about covers it, except that my wonderful experience with the X52 Pro set me up for major disapointment with the X65. I wore out the X52, but I'll buy another one now.

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  • Zach G.
  • 7/13/2011 8:51:25 AM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 week to 1 month

4 out of 5 eggsSaitek X-65F

Pros: -The force sensing technology is fun and relatively easy to use

-The joystick and throttle are almost completely made out of metal and are very sturdy

-Both the joystick and throttle are large but I can reach all the buttons with relative ease and very little movement.
-My thumb sticks out about 3.5 inches from my hand
-My palm is about 3.5 inches wide and 4.5 inches
long
-My index finger is 3 inches long
-My middle finger is 3.5 inches long
-My ring finger is 3.25 inches long
-My pinky is 2.5 inches long

-The force settings adjustments are nice.

-The joystick can be programmed really easily (you can even program to surf the internet because of the ability to change and create key combinations)

-The joystick comes with a big metal plate that helps with stability. it can be attached to either the joystick or the throttle and the there is a picture detailing how to attach it.

Cons: -The force sensing takes a while to get used to but once you do it makes flying any plane fun.

-DO NOT use this joystick for more than a few hours of complex flying (i.e. on a high force setting or on a plane that requires a lot of maneuvering) it will hurt your wrist.

-There is a mode switch which should allow you to switch between flying modes (mode one for FSX mode two for X-plane etc.) But i can't figure out how to program it. Also, until you set a default profile, it will revert back to a basic one. You can, however, download, for free, profiles for the joystick from Saitek's website which cover most of the major flight sims and quite a few games.

-There is a little piece of plastic which can be clipped to the joystick for your hand to wrest on but mine seems to have a problem attaching to the metal plate that stick out of the joystick since it is constantly coming slightly detached. It's not a huge problem but it is sort of annoying

Other Thoughts: I bought this joystick to use with FSX. one of the main reasons i bought this was so I could control both engines, individually, of a two engine plain but apparently, FSX does not allow you to do that. In any case, this is a great joystick and, although the force sensing is difficult to deal with at first, you will get used to it.
One thing to keep in mind, if you don't know what force sensing is, it means the joystick detects when you put pressure on it, the more pressure you apply, the greater the effect on the plane. This means that the joystick does not move. Thus, if you apply to much pressure the joystick will rock backwards on the two back feet. This can easily be fixed with the included metal plate (which can be velcroed to the table with the included velcro).
Keep in mind that, although you can probably easily reach all the buttons, this thing is big so you will need a lot of desk space for it.

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  • David W.
  • 6/29/2011 1:01:56 PM
  • Tech Level: High
  • Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
  • Verified Owner

1 out of 5 eggsHotas Dead on Arrival.

Pros: The force sensing stick is actually pretty fantastic. But other then that unable to review further.

Cons: The throttle worked for like 5 minutes then it became totally unresponsive in the axis, rotary and mouse hat. Not to mention it made my actual mouse icon hook to the top left of my screen and was unmovable. No amount of drivers, reinstalls changing usb ports would help. Unable to get saitek to contact me at all. And have been unable to register in the forums.

Other Thoughts: I really wanted to this hotas to be the one to update me into the modern dcs sims..ect, however i cant give it an accurate review until I get one that works. Going to RMA.

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  • Mike D.
  • 4/2/2011 1:16:11 PM
  • Tech Level: High
  • Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
  • Verified Owner

4 out of 5 eggsSatisfied

Pros: Nice stick, was centered on start, worked fine out of the box. Online complaints say this stick dont center good, but mine was perfect.
Not HUGE like other reviewers state, i have a normal size man hand and its fine.
Stiffness is great, lots of complaints its too tight... i think its perfect.
Force sensing is weird at first as 1st time i used it was not visual. Once i put in a visual calibration tool and see the axis move as i push, it makes more mental sense and it works great... Love it

Cons: for the good quality of construction im surprised some of the butters are cheap plastic, but its not that horrible.. just nitpicking... some of the buttons are fine, they all respond well, just hope they last

Other Thoughts: Newegg shipping was horrible as theyshipped in the pretty retail collectors box with tape and stickers all over it. Why would you do this?
-1 star just for newegg packing, buy it elsewhere if you want the retail box

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  • William H.
  • 2/28/2011 3:14:40 PM
  • Tech Level: High
  • Ownership: 1 month to 1 year
  • Verified Owner

5 out of 5 eggsX-65f

Pros: I love this stick. I purchased this about 8-28-10 and it has been going strong. I do not use the sst software as so far the stck has more buttons and axis then I typically use in a game.
I currently fly X3TC, IL-46, DCS- A10c and Black shark and I can only say wow.
I love the fact you can adjust force settings on the fly and the stick is rock steady. I highly recommended it.

Cons: Needs a fair bit of room on a desk

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  • Anonymous
  • 1/2/2011 8:28:28 PM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
  • Verified Owner

2 out of 5 eggs

Pros: Solid construction. Amazing amount of buttons and hats. Twist rudder.

Cons: Like another reviewer said, this thing is very big. I have what you could say is average hands for an adult male; I struggled to comfortably grip this thing and use buttons without accidently hitting other buttons.

As far as the force sensing, it actually wasn't that hard to adjust to. It was great doing free flights in various games, but when I had to multi-taslk (for example dcsa10c beta or blackshark) using hat switchs, targettting pods etc it was a pain in the behind.

Sure all those buttons are there and thats great but just the slightest push of a button can send the stick in-game motion move drastically, regardless of the force setting (i tried all four and custom settings.)

Other Thoughts: Returning this and buying the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog.

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  • George S.
  • 11/10/2010 6:38:19 AM
  • Tech Level: High
  • Ownership: 1 week to 1 month

2 out of 5 eggsGreat... If you have a bigger hand than Shaq.

Pros: -Force Sensing Joystick is accurate and responsive.
-Solid Construction, Durable.
-Lots of additional buttons and axis.
-"On-The-Fly" sensitivity adjustment.
-Limited Lifetime Warranty
-Works well for modern combat sims (LOMAC, DCS, Etc...)

Cons: -So big a giant could not reach all the buttons.
-Uncomfortable Joystick.
-Throttle gets extremely stiff in cold weather.
-Throttle Tension adjustment screw strips easily (just check forums)
-Very large footprint, need dedicated table top/flight chair.
-If stick goes out of center, need to unplug usb and plug in again to reset calibration.
-Is a poor choice for historical combat sims (ROF, AcesHigh, IL2, etc...)

Other Thoughts: I purchase this stick a little while ago and was very excited about the initial pospects. The force sensing feels strange at first but you get used to it fairly fast.

The biggest problem was that the stick was so big I could not reach the HAT or any of the upper buttons on the joystick while using it (I have a very large hand too).

Also the throttle is borderline useless in my cold location, because the extremely sticky greese that they use inside the throttle get very stiff when cold. The recommended solution from saitek was to move the throttle back and forth 30 times really fast... (not a real solution fora peice of hardware that cost over $300)

The throttle tension adjustment screw is a small hex screw that strips EXTREMELY easily (just check the forums).

I was frustrated to find that there was no adjustments for the joystick hand rest plate (has existed in previous models).

If you can get past these problems this joystick is appropriate for modern combat sims.

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  • Jerry B.
  • 8/30/2010 12:18:50 PM
  • Tech Level: Somewhat High
  • Ownership: 1 day to 1 week
  • Verified Owner

5 out of 5 eggsSaitek X-65F

Pros: This product is excellent for flight Sims. I'm particularly fond of it in ARMA II. Programming is easy. The number of programmable buttons is more than enough. The mouse stick is improved over previous models.
A mount plate is included for the stick.

Cons: Rudder control is more difficult because of the force sensing. This can be adjusted with force sense settings and dead zones but I recommend separate rudder pedals.
A mount plate for the throttle would have been nice.

Other Thoughts: The best flight stick and rudder I've ever had.

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