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This review is from: Logitech K800 2.4GHz Wireless Slim Illuminated Keyboard - Black
Pros: I can't believe this thing's lasted 3.5 years since purchase. The backlighting is useful without being too much, the keys have nice action, it's full-sized but not too big for your lap. It's not really billed as a gaming keyboard, but that's what I've used it for, and it has performed perfectly until this week. Purchased March of 2011.
Cons: There is no numluck indicator. There's a capslock LED, but nothing anywhere on the keyboard itself tells you if numlock is on or off, which mystifies me. A minor annoyance, and the only design choice I have an issue with.
Their tech support is told to upsell you instead of providing useful info. I left a bad review and nearly gave up on this thing, based on a useless convo with a useless tech.
Other Thoughts: Wish I could edit my original review.
Short form for the potential buyer: This thing lasted through 3.5 years of heavy gaming and light abuse. The batteries still hold a charge for days. The backlight is still as good as when it got here. I've never had it drop connection - less of an issue on keyboards, but still.
This week, the W key fell off. No pop, it's just loose now. It looks like the tiny pins under the key are finally too worn down to hold in the sockets. If I type too fast it goes flying across the room. This is the *only* failure this keyboard has experienced, and it took over three years. Chances are, if you're not a keyboard-mashing heavy gamer such as myself, it might last you even longer. I'd say get it.
Background and a note about cleaning:
A few months after purchase, this keyboard took a spill. Soda, too, so nasty sticky-dry gunk. I called tech support to ask how to clean it. I was told, "you can't, you'll break it, here let me give you a coupon for a discount on a new one." Obviously (to everyone but Logitech management), that didn't incite me to throw away my 5-month-old keyboard a buy a new one, it just !'ed me off.
Fortunately I decided to ignore the tech and try cleaning it. The battery cover holds a couple of AA-form-factor rechargeables; undo the screw, open as normal, set batteries aside. I then just rinsed the whole silly thing under cold running water for a few minutes. Really. Not hot, that can lead to mineral build-up. Give it some pressure and time, and even dried soda will rinse out under cold. Afterwards, i cloth-toweled it off (no paper!), propped it up sideways in a warm part of the room and let it air-dry for around 30 hours, before putting the rechargeables it came with back in. It worked perfectly, has ever since, until this week. So you can clean it yourself in the event of disaster, but do so carefully: think it through, nothing that will leave residue or bits of things in the works, and give it plenty of dry-time.
I'd hate to penalize the engineers that designed this monster just because their tech support guys were given stupid scripts, so I'll be buying another, and here's to 4 more years. This keyboard's restored my faith in Logitech's quality and durability.
Pros: Button placement is excellent. The thumb buttons are distinct by feel and, at least for me, took no time to get clear which was which without looking.
Cons: Everything else.
Shoddy construction, cheap plastic, buttons that failed within a month,
cheap and loose mousewheel that "skips" steps,
constant disconnects that powercycling doesn't help - need to get the cable and plug it in when this happens. GREAT during a game session.
Index buttons, between the 1 and 2 buttons and the mousewheel there, the long skinny ones in the photo - were the first to die. They crunch and don't consistently fire. You can feel how cheap and shoddy the action is.
Other Thoughts: Blizzard and Steelseries should be ashamed of themselves for this piece of censored, but I guess no one cares about anything other than squeezing the last dime out of players any more. I got this for $50 at Blizzcon, which I thought was a great deal. Taking it out of the box, it immediately felt like the light, cheap plastic you get in a $10 Logitech. Blizzcon was early Novemeber. By early December, the mousewheel had lost precision and skips contact on rotation - super frustrating when even just trying to scroll a censored web page - and the two top-middle buttons I menion in Cons are unusable, because they are unreliable. Cheap switches inside, you can feel in the action. Terrible.
As an added bonus, the software is just horrible. Clunky and with limited customization. There also seems to be a completely unused botton, behind the mousewheel. You can't bind it, it seems to send no signal, and the software doesn't have it numbered. You can click it, it's weird.
Lastly, the bindings of the buttons themselves are lazy. Want to use it in another game? HAHAHAHA, guess what, it takes over standard key presses when not in WoW. For example, in SWTOR one of the thumb buttons sent a B. Yes, the letter B. When I bound that button to a quickslot, it unbound the letter B from its current action, and B then did that quickslot... one of the buttons seems to send a CTRL-TAB. It's like they couldn't be bothered to even program it with its own distinct signals, and just made it macro random existing ASCII codes.
Don't buy this piece of censored. It doesn't work right, simple as that, and isn't worth the $50 I paid for it, let alone $130. No wonder they were mass-dumping them at Blizzcon. Never buying another SteelSeries product again. They should rename themselves CheapPlasticSeries.
This review is from: Razer Naga Epic Rechargable Wireless MMO PC Gaming Mouse
Pros: Pretty lights. Holds a charge well. Middle mouse wheel has good action, never got loose; Primary L & R buttons have also held up well, no feeling of compression or unresponsiveness.
Terrible, terrible connectivity issues it shipped with were mostly resolved with an eventual firmware upgrade.
Cons: Gah, where to start.
I bought this maybe a year and a half ago, and immediately I had to start making excuses for it. I'd invested $130; I wanted it to be worth the money. It was not. I should have returned it as soon as I started having trouble.
For starters, the wireless connectivity was just awful. The primary reason one buys wireless mouse is to use it without the cord; I had to keep it plugged in most of the time. Constantly freezing, disconnecting, having to cycle the power, finally giving up and keeping it plugged in most of the time.
Secondly, the charging base surges the USB bus. I've never seen anything like it. This was reproducible and constant; turn off mouse power, place in cradle, Windows bluescreens and reboots. I was able to narrow it down to imperfect contact: if I placed it square on the base so both charging contacts touched at exactly the same time, it was fine. If one made contact, and then the other was moved into place, it immediately bluescreened. Okay. No other issues with any USB device on this box, and I have used many.
Support claimed they could not reproduce the latter, and that I should hold out for a firmware upgrade for the former.
Several driver patches and firmware updates later, and the connectivity has mostly stopped being an issue. Every now and then it just freezes and has to be powercycled, but it's more like once a month as opposed to once an hour. The bluescreen issue I gave up on. I manually switch the cable from the charge / wireless base, to the mouse, when I want to charge it.
After a year, Button#5 has nearly stopped working. Over the last few months especially, it has just stopped responding to normal presses. I tested it in the Razer's own "record a macro" utility, spamming typical presses, and comparing it with how easily other button presses were detected. By pressing extra hard and holding down longer than one normally would in a game, I could get a read on button #5, but even spam-clicking it got no response without the extra pressure, and even then, there was about a half-second delay before the press was detected.
All of this in a $130 "gaming" mouse is unacceptable. I can safely say I will never again be buying another Razer product. Prices keep going up, and workmanship and materials get shoddier and shoddier. Stop obsessing over minmaxing your P&L bottom lines and try making quality products with good support. There are too many players entering the market for "cheapest possible outsourced production" to get you far for much longer.
Other Thoughts: The numpad on the side seemed like a great idea, but wound up just being really, really annoying. When I began to get even halfway decent at using the numpad on the mouse, it made it more confusing to use any other mouse, like on a laptop. At the same time, I found myself accidentally pressing those numpad buttons all the time if my grip on the mouse tightened, because they're right under your thumb; there is no good "neutral" resting place for your thumb, you are *always* on top of those buttons.
This is in "other thoughts" and not Cons because it is probably the most subjective part of my experience, and this feature is probably something everyone's going to have wildly different experiences with. Try it out somewhere if you're unsure. This is one of those cases where nothing will replace being able to hold it in your hand; but in any event, for all the reasons in Cons, I wouldn't recommend this mouse to anyway.
Display Name: Robert M.
Date Joined: 08/15/07
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