I’m a 15-year-old currently using a RTX 3060 Ti for VR and ray tracing games, and I’m thinking about upgrading my GPU. I’ve been dreaming of getting the RTX 4070 Super, as I’ve heard it offers significantly better performance, especially with its larger VRAM. Although I’m not particularly interested in AI or frame generation features, I would still utilize them since they’re part of the GPU. I’m curious to know if upgrading to the RTX 4070 Super is a smart move or if there’s another GPU (excluding the 5000 series but still in the nvidia gpu area) that would better suit my needs for ray tracing and VR gaming.
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I’d recommend a 4070ti or better to the 4080.
curious @TheOrangeCone why exclude the 5000 series?
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4070Ti Super at the very least in order to maximize long term value with the larger VRAM. 4070S is nice, I had it for a year before I swapped to a 4070TiS but 16gb is becoming the standard for VRAM in the following months.
I also recommend this because you have a 3060ti, which is cool. I would just make the most of the value given.
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Ive heard that the 5000 series does not support physx which a majority of my games that I have needs support of physx. Plus the 5000 series has been a complete joke on nvidia. Plus seeing on how nvidia portrayed the 5070 as a 4090 for only ~499 which caused a lot of people to benchmark the 5070 to the 4090 and figure, that the 4090 is faster than the 5070. Which caused a lot of havic from what nvidia did to markit the 5070. Plus hearing that the 5080/90 can melt cables it puts pressure on people who have it because they spent either 2000+ or 3000+ just for a gpu. The 5060/5060 ti 8gb and 16 gb are pretty high and are decent enough. But I want to keep me atleast a generation behind todays standers.
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That is a worthy upgrade in my opinion. It does matter what resolution your monitor is and what generation your processor platform is to experience its full power.
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that’s some good reasoning. can’t argue with that honestly
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I’d personally suggest a 5070 ti.
They’re more available on newegg and they’re cheaper with combo deals, you can do a trade in. There are a couple of 5070s that are 100 off with the combo deals. And one 5070 ti 100 off with a combo deal. No 4000 series has these combo deals.
Your reasoning for why the 5000 series are bad, I don’t really agree with. But I’d like to hear your thoughts after you hear mine: My opinion (not based off fact) is that the melting connectors are using the 3.0 atx connectors. Atx 3.1 solves this… Right?
Plus DLSS 4 support over 3 is pretty big… 3x and 4x frame generation does put a 5070 over a 4090 in terms of frames.
Let me know what you think!
So the main reason why I’m not going towards the 5000 series is from this reply I’ve made to UwUk-Hai “I’ve heard that the 5000 series does not support PhysX which a majority of my games that I have needs support for the PhysX engine.” Another thing with is, the 12-pin connectors is that Nvidia programmed the GPU to use only two wires out of 12 to pull in a bunch of power through them (300-400 wats). When you said, " My opinion (not based on fact) is that the melting connectors are using the 3.0 atx connectors. Atx 3.1 solves this… Right?" The cables don’t have a big play in this. The GPU has to communicate to the PSU for the power. Nvidia has coded it for only using 2 wires out of the twelve. If they made four or six wires have input power to the GPU and the rest to export the power back to the PSU, there wouldn’t be any issues with melting. Another way why lots of people say they don’t melt is that they can cool down their cables enough with the case fans. This is possible but really difficult because having 300-400 watts of power going through only 2 wires can create a lot of heat. Especially on how small they are. That’s why the 4090 had that issue. Which was thankfully fixed. Another thing is, I don’t really take AI that pretty. That’s why I heavily disagree with Nvidia’s plans for the 5000 series. That’s why they said it’s a 4090 performance. Needing AI to beat a GPU shows that you don’t wanna care for the product properly and want to use a robot to generate “fake frames”. Another thing is that the prices that I’ve been seeing with the 5000 series are horrible. I understand that it’s brand new and all, but spending over ~700+ for a GPU is a little bit too much. When I heard about the Rtx 5060 16 GB version I was so happy. Until it got launched it and got benchedmarked so hard hearing the news of the performance without ai/dlss ruined my heart. Especially not hearing that it still would not support the physX engine. That is why I hardly disagree with the 5000 series from Nvidia.
What games are you playing that have physx? And how are your frames in them? What graphics settings are you hitting? Are you playing at 1080p, 1440p or 4k? What do you want to be playing at? What does your monitor support?
Also thank you for your response. I appreciate your perspective.
On newegg I’m finding 5070s to be 600 or less (with combo deals). I wonder where you’re seeing these prices. The 5070 it is definitely 700+ but the 5070 is lower than that.
And for the power connector I did not know that it only travels through two of the wires. Is this still true for the fixed ATX 3.1? I also thought they fixed the melting problem. The 12VHPWR was replaced with the 12V-2x6.
What do you think?
I usually don’t keep track of which games use the PhysX engine. I typically play at 1080p and try to upscale for better visuals, but I’m limited by the refresh rate of my monitor. Unfortunately, I don’t have much of a budget to work with. I’m planning to trade in my RTX 3060 Ti and GTX 1660—my first GPU—for a 4070 Super. I also intend to sell my Xbox 360 Kinect and games, along with my Xbox One, to gather more cash for the upgrade. Ideally, I wish I had a bit more money to get a 1440p 144Hz monitor because currently, one of my monitors is only 720p at 60Hz, which is a bit disappointing but manageable for now. Also I found out that VR can support 4K at 120Hz, which motivates me even more to upgrade. I’m not interested in a full bundle; I simply need a significant upgrade for my PC. From what I’ve heard, trying to put 2x6 pins to make it a 12-pin sounds efficient but at the same time the GPU is only coded from Nvidia to use the two wires out of the twelve wires. Thanks for your reply!
I believe they fixed the power draw for the GPU with the 12V-2X6 cable which is the same looking as the bad and infamous 12VHPWR cable that was melting.
Also the 2 wires were carrying the load because the other ones weren’t making proper contact, I think. Which was apart of the melting problem. And this is only really an issue with the 500+W drawing gpus. For the sake of our argument you want at least a 4070 super, doesn’t this use the same connector?
May I ask why you want to stay a generation behind the current one?
As for the games you play, what are they? I understand you don’t track what games use PhysX but if you’re worried about the loss of support for PhysX, shouldn’t you look if the games you play even have it? It makes your argument a bit moot if the games you currently play don’t even utilize it, yet you’re against the removal, “I’ve heard that the 5000 series does not support PhysX which a majority of my games that I have needs support for the PhysX engine.”
You can’t trade in two gpus at once, they only accept one per new GPU unless they changed the policy.
Do you have a VR headset? What is your budget? You have multiple monitors and one is 720p, but you play at 1080p? Can you post the specs of your current setup please to help us get a better idea of what we’re looking to help you with?
These are all factors for us to consider when trying to help you decide to upgrade.
Let me know what you think!
So from what you said, “our argument you want at least a 4070 super, doesn’t this use the same connector?” yes, yes it does. BUT sice the 4070 super has a smaller tdp around; only maybe 120-140 wats go through the wires.
Another thing that you said was, “May I ask why you want to stay a generation behind the current one?” Is that, no one has said anything good about the gpus. The only thing good is its ai. Even though the gpus with ai are good, some games don’t have the ability to have the nvidia specialty settings so performance won’t really be a big upgrade plus I’m not that really fond of the 5000 series.
Also to take notice, “As for the games you play, what are they?” I’m normally on steam. A bunch is from valve and some are from the source engine. Some others to name above my head are the doom games, satisfactory, vrchat, black ops 1,2,3, 7 days, rust, factorio, wolfenstine new and old blood, ultra kill, helldivers, and sniper elite v4/v2(still gotta complete v2 
). I normally dont know if I have any, which is why I said " I’ve heard that the 5000 series does not support PhysX which a majority of my games that I have needs support for the PhysX engine." since the 5000 series dont support it. Plus, what if i buy a game that needs the PhysX engine. What if they remove even more support? What if they decied to add it but for certin type of games. Lots of questions I have I do yes(why did I do a yota refrence 
).
Something that makes me a bit curious is, “You can’t trade in two gpus at once, they only accept one per new GPU unless they changed the policy.” It’s gonna be my first time trading gpus in. So I don’t have that much experience with trading gpus.
Finally, “Do you have a VR headset? What is your budget? You have multiple monitors and one is 720p, but you play at 1080p? Can you post the specs of your current setup please to help us get a better idea of what we’re looking to help you with?”
So I last year I’ve bought a meta quest 3S because everyone was talking about how the meta quest 3 was bad for its price.
Now my budget, I’d say maybe around 675 so I can atleast get enough for a refurbished Rtx 4070 super. So the multiple monitors are a little wonky and a bit old, the specs for both of them are a 720p 60 hz 1600x900 and the other is a 1080p 60 hz 1980x1080.
Now my specs are pretty easy to get by since I’ve been having this pc for who knows how long, which I have 32 gb ddr4 3200 2x16 sticks and a i5 9600k. Which I’m thinking to see if my dad would trade his i9 9900k for my cpu. And possibly faster ram but keep it at 32 gb.
Thank you for replying <3
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I appreciate how you formulate your responses.
They do not offer support for trade in of refurbished or open box GPUs. They also do not have the 4000 series cards in stock for trade in. So your best choice is getting a 5070. Or you can get the newest amd card.
An alternative choice is selling your gpus on a marketplace website like Facebook or eBay. Then buying the GPU you want.
As for your current gaming situation, I am assuming you’re getting 60fps+ in your games with the 3060 ti. How is your VR headset running in games, are you satisfied with the results? Maybe you don’t need to upgrade. Maybe if you can push it a 1080/1440p 144+ Hz monitor would help. Also what PSU do you have? 550W+ is recommended for the 4070 super.
As for PhysX, I’m pretty sure it’s optional in all games that support it. And most titles have CPU PhysX anyway so it doesn’t really matter. Otherwise, if you really want PhysX you can keep your GTX 1660 and get a 5000 series through the trade in and use both at the same time (if your motherboard has two GPU pcie lanes), this might require a PSU upgrade to run both at the same time (You might need to upgrade the PSU anyway depending on what you currently have, which I asked before).
Also with PhysX most games don’t even use it, it’s an optional NVIDIA eye candy type feature. 2015+ most game engines have their own version to handle physics. Which is apart of the reason it’s getting phased out. All of the games you currently play don’t require PhysX to run. So you’re not at a loss getting a 5000 series.
(I’m suggesting the 5000 series as you can get those with a trade in, if you sell it independently from Newegg you can get the 4000 series that you wanted, you can also consider an AMD GPU too. Those are pretty pretty pretty good 9060 is a great value with 16gb!)
Let me know what you think 
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I’ve been experiencing varied performance across different games. Some run smoothly at over 60 fps, while others struggle to hit the 60 fps mark and fall below 50 fps. Currently, I’m getting around 55-61 fps in my satisfactory world, which is decent but could be better.
The thing is with the PhysX thing is that I dont really want to have two gpus in my pc and I want it to keep it simple for me and my computer.
When it comes to my VR setup, which supports 2k resolution at 72 Hz or lower, I can barely maintain 72 or even 60 fps. It usually hovers around 45-50 fps, which isn’t ideal for a good VR experience since high refresh rates and resolution are critical for smooth visuals.
Recently, I upgraded my power supply from 500 watts to 800 watts, and this has definitely made a difference. My GPU is now capable of reaching nearly ~2 GHz. While I understand AMD has its own GPUs and the 5000 series is appealing, I prefer to stick with a GPU that is widely supported and well-regarded in the community.
Nice, thank you for this info.
The new AMD cards are well regarded in the community. So maybe you can consider that.
As for your current setup, have you overclocked your 3060 Ti? Maybe you can squeeze a few more frames out.
With all this new information, I think you can make a good decision about going for the 4000 series with PhysX (without a trade in, and you sell your gpus independently of Newegg), the 5000 series without PhysX because it’s an optional feature (trade in one GPU), or the new 9060/9070/9070 xt also without PhysX as that’s a Nvidia feature (also trade in one GPU).
Let me know what else you want to talk about.
Thank you for your response!
Regarding your inquiry about overclocking the 3060 Ti, I’ve pushed it to its limits. I managed to elevate the clock speed from 1.770 GHz to around 1.995 GHz. Initially, I used a 500W PSU, which felt a bit risky as the recommended wattage is 550W. However, after upgrading to an 800W power supply, I noticed significant improvements.
While the performance gain was modest—around 3-6 extra frames per second—the overall RTX performance improved, achieving a stable 58-60 FPS at 1080p. I decided to stick with Nvidia due to its superior ray tracing and path tracing capabilities, despite AMD’s new GPUs also making strides in this area.
Another point to consider is the pricing for the 9060 XT, 9070, and 9070 XT, with the 9070 and 9070 XT particularly pricey relative to their performance. Benchmarks comparing the 4070 Super with AMD’s 9000 series reveal a small difference, with the 4070 Super priced around $600 compared to $700-800 for AMD’s options. This pricing makes the 4070 Super an attractive choice, now the 9060 xt comparied to my 3060 ti only gives me 10-15% increase of performance.
Additionally, I found that Jawa.gg, a website for PCs and consoles, has competitive selling prices for both the RTX 3060 Ti and the 1660, which could yield me around $260.
I watched some comparison videos and the 9070 vs 5070 / 9070 xt vs 5070 ti, they’re pretty similar in results. I would not exclude the 9000 series if they’re cheaper. Check out this video on the comparison GPU ray tracing comparison.
Upon looking the 9070 non xt is similar price to the 4070 super. So you have plenty of options. I am finding that the 4070 is often more than the 5070 on newegg. There is one 9070 non xt (I did not look at refurbished or open box, so it is probably cheaper).
Regardless if you go with a 4070/5070/9070, you’re going to need to buy a new monitor, which 1080p/1440p 144hz+ monitors are $100-200 USD.
Also… are you using AI to write some of your responses? If you’re not, great writing!
So, “Also… are you using AI to write some of your responses? If you’re not, great writing!” let me explain this. I have been using grammerly to help me out. In this parigraph that I am writing Im not going to do it. Its to show why i’d use grammerly to help me fix my paragraphs. Even though I hate ai and all, I dont really see grammerly as a ai thats used to make fake stuff other than make your writing easier. Plus I would give grammerly my paragrahs and see if what it said, and if I dont like whats in the paragraph i’ll delete it and add something there for my liking. Anougther thing is my grammer, spelling, and something some missmatch spots for sentences are really horrible so I would have to use google to help me out with spelling. Im sorry if it does hurt to know why I would use an ai to help me re-write my paragraphs, but it helps me in my opinion. Plus before I would use the ai I would first type the reply to someone or you as an ex and look over it. If it looks way off than i’ll use the ai to help me get it a bit sortied.
Like I said this whole thing is going to be without ai.
So, I do know that the 9070, 5070, 9070 xt, and the 5070ti have close results. And I do know not to exclude the 9000 series because amd gpus can get put back around msrp or get put onto msrp. I also do see the 9070 is similar price with the 4070 super. And from what ive been seeing with the 5070 pricing is really ehhhh. I did say I dont want to go towards the 5000 series from its hate and I dont really want to be in that area. But the 9000 series I can bat an eye on them but dont forget I really want the raytracing/pathtracing capeabilities
Also the moniter thing, ive been trying to buy a new one since around maybe 2 months or a few to get a 1440p 144hz 24in montier. And I found one that looks really nice and is around 110 dollars. If i still had a good bargen with my xboxes and gpu’s I can try and push a little bit more in my buget to try and get a new moniter.
Sorry for using ai to help me out.
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I am not upset you used grammarly, I was just curious. Use it if it helps you out! I’m not here to gatekeep that from you. And I am sorry if I was doing that for other things. Best of luck with your endeavors!
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Why no amd, spend a little more money and get a rx 7900xtx or a 9070xt
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