Joined on 01/31/06
Good for HTPC
Pros: Good processor with strong enough GPU to do decent games or 1080p video without issue. For a HTPC setup, in theory eliminates the need for a dedicated GPU saving space* for a smaller case. Works well with Linux* Runs XBMC*
Cons: Runs a little hot, but to be expected in smaller cases. I have this in a Fractal Design Node 605 (which is actually big in HTPC standards) with a Cooler Master GeminII M4. Temperatures don't get to concerning levels, but definitely warm. AMD Linux Support* * (see other thoughts)
Overall Review: Overall a great little processor that works perfect for a Home Theater setup (especially if you use Windows.) The APU itself actually probably warrants 5 stars, and if I had made this review 2 weeks ago would have gotten all 5. Unfortunately, I didn't realize there was still lingering issues regarding AMD and Linux. So, for Linux users specifically read on. I wasn't initially able to get the out of box ATI FGLRX drivers for Ubuntu or Arch to work with this APU. But, grabbing the latest drivers from AMD's website and building my own did work (this is likely fixed by now as I first got it 5-6 months ago.) However, what I did not know at the time was that neither the (current) open source or proprietary drivers for AMD/ATI support 6+ audio channel HDMI out. So, while audio encoded in something like DTS works (as it only requires 2 actual channels), you cannot do full LCPM 7.1, TrueHD or DTS-HD passthrough without a bit of work. Initially, this was not an issue for me as I didn't have a surround sound setup. Just the TV at first, then an Optical fed Soundbar. Recently, however, I purchased a Sony A/V receiver and 5 speakers to get surround sound running and that's when I discovered this limitation. There is a thread on XBMC forums ( look for Linux - Radeon OSS with vdpau) as well as a sister thread for Arch Linux (look for Radeon, XBMC, HD Audio plus a 50% decrease in CPU usage over Catalyst). With the OSS drivers for Linux you CAN get the full Bitstream Audio passthrough to work properly going through the guides above (not the easiest of installations, but you're a Linux user, not afraid of a little work right?). However, using this APU specifically as the sole GPU (as well, several other APU's have this issue, mostly the HD7xxx and HD8xxx cards) and the OSS drivers you get severe tearing and artifacts on the screen during the XBMC Menu's. Video playback is fine, however. So, this APU loses an egg for it's parent company's (AMD/ATI) lack of support for Linux. With ATI's proprietary drivers, you get a beautiful tear-free interface but no multi-channel audio, and with patched OSS drivers you get multi-channel audio but graphical artifacts on screen. Very frustrating. So, while this problem will likely be resolved (hopefully soon) in the OSS drivers, I thought I'd put up a review for any other Linux users looking to buy. Definitely make sure and do your research on this card (HD8xxx) and these issues before purchasing. Other than that - system runs wonderfully.
Good for the Sub-$700 market
Pros: 8th Gen i5 GTX 1050ti Price
Cons: 25w TDP limit (see other)
Overall Review: Got two of these with a MSI GV62 that has the same i5 and a GTX 1060 instead of the 1050ti. I would have gotten 3 MSI's because after the MIR it was the same price, but MSI limited to one per household, so for the price I saw no equivalent to this laptop specs. Any research on this laptop will show reviews and youtube videos of people talking about a 25w TDP limit on the processor making it under perform. When I first got this laptop, this was the case. Using Cinebench R15 the CPU received a score of 462, the MSI in comparison got 711, with the same CPU. After a firmware upgrade, I didn't see a difference until I went to "overboost" mode in windows (FN+F5), this "unlocks" that limit on the CPU and I received proper 720-750 scores in Cinebench. Similar results were seen in 3DMark Timespy. I averaged between 40-50fps on Medium settings in Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark (perfectly playable). The reason for the two star drop is ASUS shot themselves in the foot by releasing this laptop with the TDP limit in place, and when they "fixed" it, there is no information or documentation or anything that informs you that you must enable OverBoost to get full use of your hardware. Also, My kids and I are primary Linux users, we rarely use Windows, and the "fix" for this problem only works in Windows that I can tell so far. Running Phoronix-Test-Suite cpu benchmarks side by side with the MSI shows about half performance again in Linux and none of the Fan Control functions or profiles work. This should really be a setting placed in the BIOS to let us set that mode as default or somehow disable the limit altogether for those of us that don't keep Windows. Advertising an i5-8300 but throttling it to half the available power is just.. icky. If you are a Windows person, this is more likely a 4-star laptop if you get it at the right price since you can fix the throttle. Most comparable laptops with a 1050ti and 8th gen i5 are $150+ more. Switching to "Overboost" is not that big of a deal, and unlike what I've read from the reviewers it doesn't make your fans spin loud non-stop, only if you're under load, which is fine and expected. Especially considering that, again compared to the MSI, my temperatures are ~10 degrees cooler on this laptop. Maxing out around 90 for the ASUS, and 98 for the MSI which is horrendous. This is in overboost with the TDP limit disabled. My kids have played the included Gears of War 4, Warhammer 2, Armello and a few others between Linux and Windows and have not expressed any concerns or stuttering issues (not that these are the newest AAA titles or anything), and I ran the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmarks which ran fine in both Linux and Windows at Medium settings, which is on par for a 1050ti. You don't notice the CPU bottleneck as much in most games, but again for Windows you can get around it. If they do complain I'll come back and adjust the review but it's unlikely, they are used to 3rd gen i3's or AMD Phenom II cpu's and a GTX 750, so pretty much everything runs better for them than they had, and it saved me $150ish per laptop at least making Christmas less painful on my pocket book (even if they aren't getting full use of their cpu in Linux).
Overall Good Laptop
Pros: GTX 1060 - Sure, it's the 3GB model, but right now that's OK. Newer games will start to want for the extra VRAM, but it's a budget laptop. Keyboard tactile feel is decent 8th Gen i5 Price (if you include the current MIR) Re-Upload to add an Egg - I couldn't edit after MSI responded
Cons: Temperatures Factory Seal Sticker
Overall Review: (This is re-uploaded to add an egg, someone minus an egg from newegg for not allowing me to edit after a manufacturer responds). I needed three laptops for Christmas. MSI lost out on 2 sales by limiting their MIR to one per household, so instead I got one of these, and two ASUS FX504's. The normal price at $850-$1000 puts it in competition with several other laptops to consider but at the sub $700 range after MIR it simply has the best specs I found (followed by the FX504's, on sale, with the 1050ti). Overall, I'm getting exactly what you expect to get from a 8th Gen i5, a GTX 1060 (3GB), and a decent-enough SSD in all the benchmarks (3DMark Timespy, Cinebench R15, Shadow of the Tomb Raider averages 50 with High Settings). The laptop itself feels a little, flimsy, compared to my last Sager/Clevo though. Really, I only have one major complaint, temperature. Out of box, this laptop under load, would routinely reach 98 degrees C and thermal throttle a lot. To MSI's credit, they didn't do the power limit CPU shenanigans that ASUS did on the FX504 with the same i5 CPU (which was later "fixed"), but these temperatures are still horrendous. Compared to the ASUS FX504 *after* fixing the throttle problems to get the correct performance (which means running in their "overboost" profile) - it would cap at around 90 degrees, but mainly stay in the 80's under load which is acceptable. The 98+ on this MSI was just bad. I am currently Undervolting my CPU with -160mv, and I re-pasted the CPU/GPU with MX-4, and in Linux with the out of box fan profile it still reaches over 90 and throttles. In Windows you can control the fans and set a custom profile in the Dragon Center that will help keep the termperatures down with louder fans. In Linux, I have a found a difficult way to do that using python scripts that read a profile from a "Pherein Fan Control" windows tool and update the Embedded Controller directly (ec_sys module). None of the provided profiles work out of box and I didn't find any online, I had to figure out my own, it does appear this MSI starts at address 0x69 for that. There is a Factory Seal sticker on the bottom which I am not a fan of, but MSI commented on my last review and confirmed that as long as whatever damage you're sending in for can't be tied to you opening the bottom they should still honor the warranty. That, and the fact that I can now keep the temperatures at least mostly under control in both Windows and Linux (though I can't reach the 70's under load another reviewer mentioned, even on max fans), I felt that 3 stars wasn't a fair assessment. It's a good laptop, it just requires work to keep the temperatures anywhere near reasonable. Overall, I'm getting the performance you want from the specs, which for the MIR price is hard to complain about, but the high temperatures concern me that the components aren't going to last as long as they should and the effort to re-paste and customize a fan profile should be a nicety not a necessity. Also, unlike the ASUS "overboost" profile, which still goes quiet if the laptop is idle, setting the "Turbo Boost" fans in MSI Dragon Center keeps the fans 100% and loud the entire time which is obnoxious, and why you need to customize your own profile.
Pros: Can't list any. I'm sure the drive is great if you can find a working one..
Cons: Hard drive lasted just long enough to install the operating system (approx 10 minutes). When booted into the OS and performing an update the entire drive crashed. It 'vanished' while the OS was still running so it was entertaining to see what Linux does when a hard drive just goes 'gone'. System logs showed a bunch of Disk I/O errors. Upon reboot, drive was not identified during POST and was not listed in the BIOS. It simply didn't exist anymore. Swapped SATA cables, moved it to different ports on the motherboard, etc. Just a bad drive. It happens.
Overall Review: I was very near being one of the only people I've seen include a negative review on Newegg as well. I chose to get a Refund on the drive as the recent reviews had a little too many DOA items for comfort, and it's just easier to grab a HDD from a local supplier instead of shipping back and forth to Newegg. I did their online RMA process, and it by default will charge you a Re-Stocking Fee even when you select 'defective' as the reason. This annoyed me, as the Re-Stocking Fee + Shipping made me out almost $20 with nothing to show for it and not my fault for receiving a bad product. I looked up their RMA policies on the site and saw it was waiverable. A quick phone call to Newegg customer support fixed it right up. Thanks Newegg.. too bad the drive didn't work out.
Pros: Gave this 5 stars because this is one of the only available options to mounting the aftermarket HSF's vertically on an AM3 system. Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283V mounted fine on an MSI 770-C45 motherboard with all memory slots accessible and blowing air out the rear exhaust. On my case, the airflow wouldn't have mattered as there is exhaust on the top and rear, but I had to have my memory slots accessible as I have some of the biggest RAM ever - see other thoughts.
Cons: I was disappointed by the fact that you literally get *just* what you see in the picture. The bracket/mount, that's it. Oh, and 4 screws for the backplate. No nuts however, to tighten down the LGA775 mounts to the 4 really tiny screws that stick up from the mounting bracket. So it gives you 4 tiny screws, pre-installed into the mounting base, and no way to attach anything to them. Eh? I ended up using the 4 nuts that happen to come with a Thermaltake 120mm FAN that I had mounted on my side window and couldn't use anymore (since my cooler blocked that area).
Overall Review: I didn't do it the way Some Guy said, probably would have been easier but I had found a forum that included pictures where someone had used a 4" grinder to remove the small "lip" that is on the LGA775 mounting brackets, so I went over to a neighbors house and did that. It's not that difficult, but it is a pain to have to do. So you remove the lip, mount the LGA775 brackets facing down to the 'top' of the HSF's base, and use tiny nuts to tighten it down to the top of the CPU. Moral of the story here I guess is: There's multiple ways to get this to work for your HSF on an AM3 system...... but all of them require modification of some kind (snipping the springs, or grinding the brackets). AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0ghz OC 3.65ghz MSI 770-C45 Motherboard 4GB OCZ Reaper HPC DDR3 1600 (BIG MEMORY) Cooler Master UCP 700W Cooler Master Storm Scout Case SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X 4890 870mhz OC Edition Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283 CPU Cooler
Very good air cooler!
Pros: The cooler worked very awesome on my setup. I had already replaced the stock thermal grease with arctic silver 5 so the temps I list as Stock are Stock+A.S.5. I was able to get decent OC to 3.5ghz on stock cooler that idle'd around 28-30c... but within 10 minutes of an mprime torture test it would break 65c and shortly after 72c which is the rated maximum for my processor. In comes this cooler, I now idle around 24-26c - so about a 4-6c decrease in idle - and 30 minutes+ of mprime torture test didn't break 40c. That's an insane difference.. maybe I had something wrong previously? Dunno.. but this is beautiful. Arctic Silver 5 also on this cooler. Running vertical on an AM3 using the Enzotech AM2 Type-X adapter. All memory slots accessible. I have now overclocked to 3.65ghz with Idle temps back to 28-30c and tortured temps never exceeding 45c.
Cons: Really a pain to install vertically on an AMD-based system. Out of the box it will only mount horizontally as everyone says, which would cover 2 of my memory slots (since I have massive RAM), but with the adapter it can be made to work vertically. I followed the steps I found in a forum, used a grinder to remove the "lip" that is on the LGA775 mount brackets and mounted them to the top of the Xigmatek's base.. worked great except for a pain to tighten the nuts to lock down the cooler. Scratched knuckles (or wife with really small hands ;)) F.T.W.? Not too fond of the white LED, All my fan LED's are blue so the white center looks a little off, this is entirely personal preference however and isn't really a "con". Fins are flimsy and easily bendable.
Overall Review: This cooler does everything I bought it for, and more. I honestly didn't expect this kind of increase in performance while overclocked.. my guess is that the stock cooler simply couldn't control the voltages I had in the BIOS and the temperatures couldn't be kept down. This cooler has no problems with the higher voltages to the CPU and NB, and never exceeding 45c under massive load is just phenomenal. Normal heavy load (H.264 4-thread encoding or 3D gaming) won't exceed 39c. This is all without the A.S.5. having much of a "set in" period that may or may not help as well. AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0ghz OC 3.65ghz MSI 770-C45 Motherboard 4GB OCZ Reaper HPC DDR3 1600 (BIG MEMORY) Cooler Master UCP 700W Cooler Master Storm Scout Case SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X 4890 870mhz OC Edition Xigmatek Dark Knight S1283 CPU Cooler